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White Privilege

Mon Aug 2, 2010 6:05 PM EDT
politics, racism, social-issues, tim-wise, white-priviledge
By joycebooth
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Look out white people, they are coming for you.

Tim Wise #1 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SZ8xQPdjJfM

Tim Wise #2 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OlqLijhxT_M

Tim Wise #3 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kQWP7fUSPJU

Tim Wise #4 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o13Lr6Sr_cU

Tim Wise #5 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2VuA_wXi02I

Tim Wise #6 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KRo_jYssnXQ

and they look just like you.

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EdisonEllis

What bugs the hell out of me is all the people writing about race when they know nothing about being a different "color" or "two".

  • 11 votes
Reply#1 - Mon Aug 2, 2010 7:04 PM EDT
Mike Rupert

Yeah good point, Edison. I'm white and I find it beyond ridiculous white people claiming they understand the minority experience - and then claiming to be experts on the issue. We don't know @!$%#. To come from a white point of view claiming you understand, think again. Like the guy in the piece here points out, it's not he who should be giving this talk.

I'm only 2 minutes in, but really good so far.

  • 11 votes
#1.1 - Mon Aug 2, 2010 8:26 PM EDT
joycebooth

He tells it better than black people tell it

  • 2 votes
#1.2 - Mon Aug 2, 2010 9:36 PM EDT
storyartist

I've been posting one of his links when the discussion concerns white privilege because he cuts thru the usual and gets right to the core layer. I can never say it any better than he could. Thanks for putting him on his own article, Joyce.

  • 3 votes
#1.3 - Mon Aug 9, 2010 9:16 AM EDT
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tyler-1708225

The same with those that know nothing about the illegals. They sit in their safe neighborhoods, aren't seeing their schools over crowded, their hospitals going belly up, aren't paying the taxes to take care of them, but they sure think they know more than the border states.

  • 6 votes
Reply#2 - Mon Aug 2, 2010 8:01 PM EDT
soggy9000

You cannot possibly have missed the point of this speech more than you have.

But maybe you didn't bother to listen to it in the first place.

  • 6 votes
#2.1 - Mon Aug 2, 2010 8:30 PM EDT
EdisonEllis

tyler-1708225

I know a hell of a lot more about it than you ever will.

  • 2 votes
#2.2 - Mon Aug 2, 2010 8:47 PM EDT
Bubba-939441

"They sit in their safe neighborhoods, aren't seeing their schools over crowded, their hospitals going belly up, aren't paying the taxes to take care of them, but they sure think they know more than the border states."

Has Obama ever been to the border? His kids go to private school and he has the best medical insurance taxpayers can buy. How would he know anything about border conditions?

  • 2 votes
#2.3 - Mon Aug 2, 2010 9:18 PM EDT
EdisonEllis

Bubba-939441

And you can comment on this because?

Do you live in a border state?

Are you Mexican or other "breed"?

Do you have any thoughts that aren't given you by your right wing pundits?

  • 2 votes
#2.4 - Mon Aug 2, 2010 9:23 PM EDT
tyler-1708225

Think so Edisonson? We are a family of interracial marriage, bi-racial children, and adopted minority children. I think I am qualified to have an opinion.

  • 2 votes
#2.5 - Mon Aug 2, 2010 9:53 PM EDT
Bubba-939441

Yes I live in a border state. Mr Obama is supposed to come down here next week, but I doubt he'll visit the border. Politicians around here and the entire south don't want to be seen with him. It won't get them a vote in November.

    #2.6 - Tue Aug 3, 2010 8:20 AM EDT
    Bob Nelson.

    Please, folks!

    Don't feed the trolls.

    Notice how quickly and deftly this conversion has been hijacked.

    Some NVers never actually contribute anything at all. Their purpose is to prevent the propagation of genuine, thoughtful discussion, in favor of a selected few easily-controlled topics.

    For example, Tim Wise is deep-sixed in favor of "illegal immigration".

    Beware!

    • 1 vote
    #2.7 - Tue Aug 10, 2010 12:57 AM EDT
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    soggy9000

    WOW! I just watched all six videos. That's about as hard-hitting a lecture as I have ever heard on any subject. And there was not so much as a single false word in it. I wish every white person in America would watch it.

    Again, wow. Thanks very much, Joyce. If I could give this one a hundred votes, I would.

    • 5 votes
    Reply#3 - Mon Aug 2, 2010 8:28 PM EDT
    joycebooth

    Imagine how I was taken back. I joined his facebook, myspace and sent an email.

    • 4 votes
    #3.1 - Mon Aug 2, 2010 9:18 PM EDT
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    BKER1492

    And what is even better is how many blacks and hispanics us white people have brainwashed.

    For Black Officers are three time more likely to pull over a black kid that looks like a drug dealer than a white kid.

    And this year black men will kill over 300 other black men in Baltimore whom they percieve to be competition in drug sales.

    All the while us white people know we are the real drug dealers.

    • 6 votes
    Reply#4 - Mon Aug 2, 2010 8:37 PM EDT
    joycebooth

    totally agree. Stockholm

    • 2 votes
    #4.1 - Mon Aug 2, 2010 9:19 PM EDT
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    BKER1492

    And who would have thought that a white dollar is worth four black dollars, or that a white retarded coal miner with a 3rd grade education and making $15,000 a year in West Virginia has more assets than a normal, college educated, black person making $60,000 a year in Maryland. Simply amazing how that math works out.

    Every day I thank the Navy for that $400/Month white paycheck. And my 1990 white mustang, which has more horsepower than a black mustang.

    • 5 votes
    Reply#5 - Mon Aug 2, 2010 8:44 PM EDT
    BKER1492

    And by god all white Liberals trying to help blacks are racist as well. Poor white people are racists, retarded white people are racists, liberal white people are racist. Public school educated white people are racists. ALL cops racists including the black and hispanic ones. ALL conservatives are racists, including the black and hispanic ones.

    SHEEEEEIIIIITTTTT Guess there is nothing I can do to change.

    • 2 votes
    Reply#6 - Mon Aug 2, 2010 9:06 PM EDT
    MDC-441879

    joycebooth, I can always depend on you for some very topical seeds and articles. Another good one and thank you.

    • 2 votes
    Reply#7 - Mon Aug 2, 2010 9:26 PM EDT
    joycebooth

    It was just so freshing to hear this man talk. I don't think he's blaming anyone, he's pointing out the rich and poor like I been saying all along.

    • 2 votes
    #7.1 - Mon Aug 2, 2010 9:29 PM EDT
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    ChuckGreg

    Thanks for the links joycebooth. Good stuff.

    • 1 vote
    Reply#8 - Mon Aug 2, 2010 10:17 PM EDT
    joycebooth

    Welcome. I was blessed to have found it.

    • 1 vote
    #8.1 - Mon Aug 2, 2010 10:26 PM EDT
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    Kc77

    Yes Kudos. I've been following him for years. It's really good stuff. He is successful doing it because he can talk about race from a different perspective. Sometimes you just don't want to hear about racism from Jesse Jackson, nothing against him but sometimes you need someone new.

    • 1 vote
    Reply#9 - Mon Aug 2, 2010 11:57 PM EDT
    jdl-28

    This is getting old blaming the white for racism, come on I haven't hear so much about racism in forty years, Obama started racism when he was running for office and has help to carry on and on.

    Ok, Black and Hispanic has the same chance as the whites to learn to have a better life, but just maybe they do not care enough about learning to get a head or maybe their father left or doesn't care to help their own children. As Bill Cosby put it one years many Black father didn't care to work, nor take care of the children they help bring into this world. With out a father to look up to many kid might go the wrong direction in life and gang look good to them, yes many whites does do drug but many black and Hispanic also do drugs along with selling it. Maybe Black children needs to have parent who take pride in themselves in order to for their children to understand what can help them in life.

    Hispanic, they also do not have parent who guide their children very well, hell they have birthdays parties for their children which turn into a drinking party for the adults, many belong to gang and than their children also enter a gang. There are many Hispanic who have good family, doing well in life, we make our life better only if we a elect to.

    You can blame the white but it isn't them that has cause the two group to have bad life it themselves who has did that. Many white have made or have a good life but one thing they have over the black and Hispanic is their parent wanted the best life they can have and took the time to guide their children in the right direction, showing them if you work hard and learn you can do what ever you like. Also they took the time with their children to do thing together which many Black and Hispanic parent didn't do for the father wasn't around leaving a mother with no education to raise her children taking any jobs that they can get.

    There is also white out their who are not educated and having rough life, but than again they made the decision to not get a education. As you know education is the key to success in life, and you can't tell me that black and Hispanic haven't had good teacher.

    I do not believe the white is holding anyone back, if you do I am sorry for that is in your own head.

    I know a lot of Black who have very good life with great job, and several are lawyers but they did the same thing us white did, work hard and went for a education over sitting around doing nothing.

    There going to be poor in every group whether they are white, black or Hispanic and that is life for not everyone want to work hard or give up something when they are young to get ahead.

    Racism has nothing to do whether a person is poor or rich, it still come down to what the decision they make not anyone else.

    • 1 vote
    Reply#10 - Tue Aug 3, 2010 2:11 AM EDT
    Bob Nelson.

    You didn't watch the videos, did you?

    Wise does NOT blame Whites.

    Your Comments are hard to take seriously when they are so far off-topic.

    • 1 vote
    #10.1 - Tue Aug 10, 2010 1:06 AM EDT
    Playtoe

    "Obama started racism when he was running for office and has help to carry on and on."

    Forgive me, wasn't Bill Clinton one of the first to inject racism into the campaign? Or was that Jesse Jackson? Or maybe it was the Republicans, with the focus on Rev Wright? But, Obama, no, he didn't start it...

      #10.2 - Tue Aug 10, 2010 9:08 AM EDT
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      Playtoe

      That was POWERFUL! Just watched all six segments.

      One thing I noticed, however:

      48,285 watched 1/6

      25,259 watched 2/6

      20,873 watched 3/6

      17,641 watched 4/6

      15,464 watched 5/6

      14,507 watched 6/6

      Can anyone explain that steady decline of viewers?

      I think that those who missed segments 4-6, which discussed the problem for WHITES that deny/enjoy White Privilege, may have missed the most important part. I really think he makes a HUGE point about whites who want to enjoy the "glory" associated with the building of America, but don't want to pay the "debts" associated with it in the past! Like he said, no new CEO would ask a CFO to present the economic state of a business and leave out the "debt" accumulated by the previous CEO. The point being if whites are unwilling to be responsible for the "debts" incurred by previous generations of whites, and only want to enjoy the "glory", then ONE DAY, your children or children's children will have to pay or suffer bankruptcy/demise. And, as he said, it's not about "guilt", it's about "responsibility" and "self interest". Whites TODAY should realize the need to fix the "race" problem, repay any "debts" outstanding, not to appease black people or other minorities, but because it prepares a foundation for their continued growth and bright future. The longer it takes, the longer whites are in "denial" of the race problem, the more REMOTE the chance that white future generations will be able to fix the problem.

      That's a very powerful and meaningful message...EXCELLENT!

      • 1 vote
      Reply#11 - Mon Aug 9, 2010 3:16 PM EDT
      Daily Reader

      Live in the inner city of Chicago for a decade Tim Wise.

      • 2 votes
      Reply#12 - Tue Aug 10, 2010 10:55 AM EDT
      Shebow

      Joycebooth, fantastic lecture. Thanks for posting this. I've been aware for a very long time how different the world is for me. I'm not only white, but I grew up in an affluent home. Part of why I can be aware of white privelage is because I have it. That privelage not only ensured me a very good education but it allows me to live anywhere in this culture I want. I've dated people of all different colors and cultures which was a real slap in the face back in the 70's and 80's in particular. Didn't know what it was like to be seated in the crappiest, most invisible places in restaurants until then. I didn't know black people couldn't simply step into a car lot and look over a new car without being questioned. I could go on. Suffice it to say, the experience opened my eyes, thankfully. The oddest thing I've noticed about this privelage is how it is merely a smoke screen to perpetuate class division, as Mr. Wise discusses. It's the carrot that motivates so many white blue collar and poor people to vote so overwhelmingly against their own self interest. Nice dog and pony show the race card is because there really isn't such a thing as separate races anyway.

      • 1 vote
      Reply#13 - Tue Aug 10, 2010 11:43 PM EDT
      Playtoe

      Shebow...your kind of comments are unheard of in NV! Again, welcome. There may very well be other "whites" (with all respect), that feel as you do, but few are courageous enough to say what you've said. Recognizing your (if I may say so, without offense) "white privilege" is a good first step to the earth's community renewal and transformation. I suspect you may very well be (or become) an "island" among your peers and colleagues, from a consciousness standpoint. But, I would encourage you to think of yourself more like the tip of a mountain emerging from an ocean floor. You are a "pillar" of your kind...

      "The oddest thing I've noticed about this privilage is how it is merely a smoke screen to perpetuate class division, as Mr. Wise discusses. It's the carrot that motivates so many white blue collar and poor people to vote so overwhelmingly against their own self interest"

      And that's what I also perceived from Mr. Wise (Mr. "Wise", how ironic!). Yes, I'm black, but I too have tasted/dated women of all different colors and cultures (honey is sweet no matter where the honey cone is! (smile)). I too have a very good education, but not the kind that is "accredited" by mainstream culture (and that probably doesn't make sense)...and I digress.

      "Nice dog and pony show the race card is because there really isn't such a thing as separate races anyway."

      I would say, however, there is no such thing as "separate races", but there is such a thing as "difference". The power and glory of the whole matter, the purpose and intent of it all, is to learn to "appreciate and celebrate difference" and not despise it. Recognizing that if you can't get along with "difference" it's not THEM, it's YOU who has a problem...and that's what I perceive as the message from Mr. Wise, as a black person.

      I've recently begun to build relationships with some of the many African people here in Dallas (and I did so in Los Angeles, and worked in an university's "African Study Center in Michigan). There are Africans here from Kenya, Nigeria, Zimbabwe, Ethiopia, etc. Interestingly, they don't like to interact! Kenyans associate with Kenyans. Nigerian's associate with Nigerians, etc, etc. I, personally, befriend them all! My point is, we talk about "racism", but as you say (in a universal way) "there really isn't such a thing"...closed minds will be closed minds! Which is another thing Mr. Wise mentioned, concerning what was going on in regard to "white on white" violence in Europe.

      Anyway, Shebow, glad you're here...

      • 1 vote
      #13.1 - Wed Aug 11, 2010 12:42 AM EDT
      Shebow

      Thank you, Playtoe. Another advantage I had as a child was exposure to a lot of different cultures through my parents. To me, that's the real difference between humans - the cultures we come from. My background taught me to be interested in those differences and, ultimately, to realize that people is people.

      • 1 vote
      #13.2 - Sat Aug 14, 2010 2:46 AM EDT
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